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	<title>Comments on: A Christian checks out Saul Alinsky&#8217;s Rules for Radicals</title>
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		<title>By: The Saul Alinsky Influenced Administration &#171; Lake Minnetonka Liberty 2.0</title>
		<link>http://sntjohnny.com/front/a-christian-checks-out-saul-alinskys-rules-for-radicals/580.html/comment-page-1#comment-2730</link>
		<dc:creator>The Saul Alinsky Influenced Administration &#171; Lake Minnetonka Liberty 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in this as I should be. The more and more I see of the White House, the more and more I see the Alinsky influence. Born to Russian-Jewish parents in Chicago in 1909, Saul Alinsky was a Communist/Marxist [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in this as I should be. The more and more I see of the White House, the more and more I see the Alinsky influence. Born to Russian-Jewish parents in Chicago in 1909, Saul Alinsky was a Communist/Marxist [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Health Care Slippery Slope and Saul Alinsky &#124; Athanatos Christian Apologetics Ministry</title>
		<link>http://sntjohnny.com/front/a-christian-checks-out-saul-alinskys-rules-for-radicals/580.html/comment-page-1#comment-2576</link>
		<dc:creator>The Health Care Slippery Slope and Saul Alinsky &#124; Athanatos Christian Apologetics Ministry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then the average fair minded American.  Consider this long quote from Alinksy&#8217;s book Rules for Radicals: &#8230;to the organizer, compromise is a key and beautiful word.  It is always present in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then the average fair minded American.  Consider this long quote from Alinksy&#8217;s book Rules for Radicals: &#8230;to the organizer, compromise is a key and beautiful word.  It is always present in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding &quot;making the enemy live up to their rule book,&quot; this points to the actions of ACORN and lawmakers Frank and Dodd forcing the banks to make loans to unqualified borrowers, which precipitated the financial crisis.

Now, the democrats seek to load up the system with expensive legislation--the so-calle Stimulus bill, Cap and Trade, now the health care bill. The idea is almost definitely to break the economy so Obama and his cohorts can come to the rescue by taking over completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;making the enemy live up to their rule book,&#8221; this points to the actions of ACORN and lawmakers Frank and Dodd forcing the banks to make loans to unqualified borrowers, which precipitated the financial crisis.</p>
<p>Now, the democrats seek to load up the system with expensive legislation&#8211;the so-calle Stimulus bill, Cap and Trade, now the health care bill. The idea is almost definitely to break the economy so Obama and his cohorts can come to the rescue by taking over completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the audio of the interview alluded to in the comment section above:

http://sntjohnny.com/front/radio-interview-with-wlea-on-saul-alinsky/619.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the audio of the interview alluded to in the comment section above:</p>
<p><a href="http://sntjohnny.com/front/radio-interview-with-wlea-on-saul-alinsky/619.html" rel="nofollow">http://sntjohnny.com/front/radio-interview-with-wlea-on-saul-alinsky/619.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Radio Interview with WLEA on Saul Alinsky &#124; Athanatos Christian Apologetics Ministry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radio Interview with WLEA on Saul Alinsky &#124; Athanatos Christian Apologetics Ministry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many thanks to Kevin Doran from WLEA for having me on to discuss Saul Alinsky.  Read the original post that inspired the interview on Saul Alinsky. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Many thanks to Kevin Doran from WLEA for having me on to discuss Saul Alinsky.  Read the original post that inspired the interview on Saul Alinsky. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Anthony! Thanks. That is helpful....and funny! (now that I know how you meant it). I&#039;ll have to &quot;relike&quot; your post on fb. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Anthony! Thanks. That is helpful&#8230;.and funny! (now that I know how you meant it). I&#8217;ll have to &#8220;relike&#8221; your post on fb. <img src='http://sntjohnny.com/front/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha.  Ok, now I know what we&#039;re talking about.  It was a joke, but I did mean what I said about God knowing only that which can be known.  However, that is not necessarily an open theistic statement.  As I said, I am not an open theist.

I meant this in the framework of questions like &#039;Can God create a rock that he cannot move?&#039;  Or, &#039;Can God make a square circle?&#039;  I assume that you will agree with me that the doctrine of God&#039;s omnipotence does not mean he &#039;can&#039; &#039;do&#039; non-sensical things.  These questions can be re-worked to deal with omniscience:  &#039;Does God &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; how to create a square circle?&#039; And to that I would answer &quot;no&quot;, not because God doesn&#039;t know everything but because the thing to be known is pure nonsense.  It&#039;s just throwing words together in a grammatically sound way... the sentence itself is almost meaningless, given the definitions of the individual words.

So, I mean what I said about God not knowing the unknowable, in the sense in which I just described, but this is of course a joke as applied to Obama to highlight how little we can trust the man&#039;s stated positions and intentions.

Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha.  Ok, now I know what we&#8217;re talking about.  It was a joke, but I did mean what I said about God knowing only that which can be known.  However, that is not necessarily an open theistic statement.  As I said, I am not an open theist.</p>
<p>I meant this in the framework of questions like &#8216;Can God create a rock that he cannot move?&#8217;  Or, &#8216;Can God make a square circle?&#8217;  I assume that you will agree with me that the doctrine of God&#8217;s omnipotence does not mean he &#8216;can&#8217; &#8216;do&#8217; non-sensical things.  These questions can be re-worked to deal with omniscience:  &#8216;Does God <i>know</i> how to create a square circle?&#8217; And to that I would answer &#8220;no&#8221;, not because God doesn&#8217;t know everything but because the thing to be known is pure nonsense.  It&#8217;s just throwing words together in a grammatically sound way&#8230; the sentence itself is almost meaningless, given the definitions of the individual words.</p>
<p>So, I mean what I said about God not knowing the unknowable, in the sense in which I just described, but this is of course a joke as applied to Obama to highlight how little we can trust the man&#8217;s stated positions and intentions.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Cooper</title>
		<link>http://sntjohnny.com/front/a-christian-checks-out-saul-alinskys-rules-for-radicals/580.html/comment-page-1#comment-2531</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Anthony,

Here is the comment I was talking about: &quot;And only God and Obama knows what that might be.  I take that back:  it is possible that neither of them know, for what Obama believes (if Alinksy is any clue) is adaptable, formless, and flexible.  And God, though omniscient, can only know that which can actually be known.&quot;

Noting your surprise, I&#039;m hoping that you were only joking. But an open theist would say this and mean it. Scripture on the other hand declares clearly that God knows the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10, etc.).   He knows all of our lives in detail before we are even born: &quot;All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be&quot; (Psalm 139:16, NIV). God has known the decisions we will make before we even existed (Romans 8:29; 11:2, 26, etc.). There is nothing  past, present or future that God does not know.

I hope this clears up my previous statement, but just in case: Open theism is an attack on God&#039;s character and on the Scripture and I am therefore very much against it.

I am hopeful that you were just joking. :) ....In which case, I apologize for the confusion. Have a great day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Anthony,</p>
<p>Here is the comment I was talking about: &#8220;And only God and Obama knows what that might be.  I take that back:  it is possible that neither of them know, for what Obama believes (if Alinksy is any clue) is adaptable, formless, and flexible.  And God, though omniscient, can only know that which can actually be known.&#8221;</p>
<p>Noting your surprise, I&#8217;m hoping that you were only joking. But an open theist would say this and mean it. Scripture on the other hand declares clearly that God knows the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10, etc.).   He knows all of our lives in detail before we are even born: &#8220;All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be&#8221; (Psalm 139:16, NIV). God has known the decisions we will make before we even existed (Romans 8:29; 11:2, 26, etc.). There is nothing  past, present or future that God does not know.</p>
<p>I hope this clears up my previous statement, but just in case: Open theism is an attack on God&#8217;s character and on the Scripture and I am therefore very much against it.</p>
<p>I am hopeful that you were just joking. <img src='http://sntjohnny.com/front/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8230;.In which case, I apologize for the confusion. Have a great day!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What open theism comment?  I don&#039;t know what you mean.

Also, to be clear, are you saying that as someone who is a proponent of open theism or one who disagrees with it?  From your comment it is ambiguous... but I don&#039;t see where I made a reference to open theism.

For the record, I disagree with open theism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What open theism comment?  I don&#8217;t know what you mean.</p>
<p>Also, to be clear, are you saying that as someone who is a proponent of open theism or one who disagrees with it?  From your comment it is ambiguous&#8230; but I don&#8217;t see where I made a reference to open theism.</p>
<p>For the record, I disagree with open theism.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good and helpful analysis. Thanks....I wish you wouldn&#039;t have thrown in the open theism comment, though (not at all in line with what God reveals to us about himself in Scripture).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good and helpful analysis. Thanks&#8230;.I wish you wouldn&#8217;t have thrown in the open theism comment, though (not at all in line with what God reveals to us about himself in Scripture).</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Doran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Doran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do a daily talk show and am interested in someone who can explain Alinksy to my audience.  Looks like Anthony could be that guy.  Would you contact?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do a daily talk show and am interested in someone who can explain Alinksy to my audience.  Looks like Anthony could be that guy.  Would you contact?</p>
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		<title>By: mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what has me stunned is that the other dems in house and senate are not getting it...if obama stays in wh there will be no government for them to govern...he is taking all of the power...we have to march to have obama impeached.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what has me stunned is that the other dems in house and senate are not getting it&#8230;if obama stays in wh there will be no government for them to govern&#8230;he is taking all of the power&#8230;we have to march to have obama impeached.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie Maroney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie Maroney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even when people are made aware of Obama&#039;s mentor, Saul Alinsky, and the influence he had on him, they will claim it did not affect him.  Just as they have claimed that Obama attending a racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic church for 20 years does not affect him either.  They have truly been seduced and only God can awaken them from their hypnotic trance.  That&#039;s what we should pray for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even when people are made aware of Obama&#8217;s mentor, Saul Alinsky, and the influence he had on him, they will claim it did not affect him.  Just as they have claimed that Obama attending a racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic church for 20 years does not affect him either.  They have truly been seduced and only God can awaken them from their hypnotic trance.  That&#8217;s what we should pray for.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feel free to re-post it at your pleasure, Chuck.  (In this case, would it really be pleasure?)

Forgot to thank you for one of your other recent comments that provided some good resource material.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feel free to re-post it at your pleasure, Chuck.  (In this case, would it really be pleasure?)</p>
<p>Forgot to thank you for one of your other recent comments that provided some good resource material.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Tony. I&#039;m going to re-post this on my facebook account, ok? Someday soon I will check out the book and read it. Right now I think it just would make me pop a view veins in my head and go black...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tony. I&#8217;m going to re-post this on my facebook account, ok? Someday soon I will check out the book and read it. Right now I think it just would make me pop a view veins in my head and go black&#8230;</p>
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