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In Defense of Joel Osteen and his ‘prosperity gospel’ with just a few Complaints of My Own

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There is much criticism of Joel Osteen out there these days, in particular lumping him in with those who promote a ‘prosperity Gospel.’ For a round up, take a look at some of the links on this Google Search. Avoid the first link- it keeps freezing up my Mozilla browser. Now, I don’t listen to Mr. Osteen on a regular basis but I have seen his program on the TV quite a few times. I have yet to hear anything that is truly objectionable from a doctrinal point of view. I can’t even say that I have ever heard him actually say any of the things I would normally hear from the prosperity Gospel point of view. Maybe he has, but in the dozen or so times I’ve heard him speak, I have yet to hear it.

I heard him again today. His message had lots of good insight, insight I confess I cannot say I have ever heard from pulpits I’ve encountered. His messages usually focus on pragmatic, practical aspects of the Christian walk.

Today, for example, he pointed out that we are in charge of our own feelings and we shouldn’t allow people around us to dictate how we feel. They shouldn’t have the capacity to ‘rob us of our joy.’ We give people that power- it cannot be taken, it must be given. There are some people, he explained, who by simple choice choose to be grumpy and pessimistic, and if we hang around them we are likely to absorb their pessimism. This is all advice you can find in the Scriptures in one form or another and I would wager that most mainliners wouldn’t object. The problem- as I have heard Osteen say before- is that this is the sort of counsel that is rarely heard.

I agree. The question in my mind is how reasonable it is to ever hope that our current way of conducting ‘church’ could ever hope to produce well rounded Christians. When Osteen says that people are tired of getting beat up in sermons I think he makes a valid point. When anything is successful, anything, there is always ‘something’ to it. People vote with their feet. This goes even for the writings of someone like that rascal Richard Dawkins. Yes, there is something to what he says. That means that in formulating responses you need to be prepared to give an account for that very same ‘thing’ and show why you’ve got it equally handled or why you can do better.In other words, if certain mainline denominations are losing members to organizations similar to Osteen’s it may not simply mean that Osteen is promoting heretical harlotry and attracting the unwary, it may mean that Osteen is offering something that the mainlines could not or do not provide. The solution would be to provide it. More on that in a moment.

I find that many of the perspectives on just what should constitute a church service seem to me to be elaborate theological constructs generated on certain personality types and particular cultures. For example, there are certain personality types who, like David, see their sin ‘always before them.’ (Psalm 51). There are some cultures which have a high proportion of people of that personality type. But not every person has this view of themselves and it doesn’t follow that just because you are like that that everyone should be like that.

On the other hand, there are particular cultures and personality types which are more likely to resonate with “Be joyful always; pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.” (1 Thess 5:16) It may not be that they are not aware of their sinful self but being aware of it, they are also deeply aware of what God has done about it in Christ Jesus.

Still, a community that focuses on that latter ‘personality type’ may structure themselves at the expense of the Psalm 51 ‘personality types’ and therefore fall into its own set of extremes. Clearly, the goal is to be balanced. To obtain that balance, it would be a first step to identify how much of one’s theology is being driven by the culture they were raised in and their own personality type rather than straight out of the Scriptures. As often as I hear genuine wisdom out of Osteen’s mouth, I do not see evidence that he is really setting forth a legitimate, robust, balanced perspective on what it means to live the Christian life in community of other, diverse Christians.

The problem is that I don’t see much evidence of this on the other side, either, and I wonder if the general structure of things would allow it. Consider this quote from a critic of Osteen’s:

but the reality is that 30,000 people are not being biblically fed a balanced spiritual diet that will promote true growth in their lives. What you do hear is a synthesis of WOF concepts wrapped up in a seeker-friendly environment by a young man with a winsome smile.

Lastly, we cannot lose sight of the fact that a certain synergy builds with any church when it begins to reach such a size.  People, who have no solid doctrinal foundation, will want to attend the place where “something” is happening (throw in a coffee bar, ice rink and gym does not hurt either). In America, bigger is better. After all, many posit, if Joel was not being used of the Lord then why would God allow all these people to come to Lakewood church?

Could it be a sign of God’s judgment on His people who have forsaken His ways? Often we think of God’s judgment as some divine catastrophe, yet often, and just as catastrophic, is when He simply allows people to have own way. I believe the words of Jeremiah are applicable to many in the Church today:

As much as Joel no doubt believes the growth they’ve experienced is due to the blessing of God it really boils down to three simple things, which have nothing to do with God at all: (1) his father’s legacy and an already existing mega-church; (2) Joel’s slick marketing abilities; (3) a biblically errant, but hugely popular message which appeals to the masses seeking to have their ears tickled and experience a “good time” in church.

As much as I resonate with some aspects of this criticism I have to take issue with it. In the first place, let us remind ourselves that Osteen is not drawing people from out of the secular humanist camp. There aren’t hordes of Buddhists, Hindus, and atheists rushing in because of Joel’s positive message and effective marketing. These are mainly disenchanted Christians, many of whom we can be certain come out of the mainline denominations.

It is interesting that this critic is prepared to dismiss the numerical growth of Osteen’s congregation as definitely not being a sign of God’s blessing. Does the fact that a mainline congregation is reduced to just five people mean that this congregation is doing God’s will? That will be some comfort when the last member dies of old age.

These people with “no solid doctrinal foundation” are, in fact, the product of organizations which supposedly have just such foundations.  The mainlines have been in decline for as long as I’ve been old enough to be able to pay attention and I gather it began long before that. How quick this critic is malign 30,000 people, but if it is the case that the bulk of these numbers comes from the the churches he’d approve of, we must conclude that it was a failure of these very same churches to educate its members in good and proper doctrine and likewise to offer the ‘something’ that they find in Osteen’s church.

In other words, the critics of Osteen and others we might mention should realize that it is their churches that are creating the people who eventually leave their midst. But I thought these were “biblically fed a balanced spiritual diet”! Why then did they leave? As a judgment on Joel Osteen and the individuals that make up his congregation? Are we so sure? If they were being ‘well fed’ they would have stayed where they were at.

Sadly, critics (including critics of the so-called ’emergent’ church) are quick to circle the wagons around their own way of doing things. The fact that people are turning their back on those ways and voting with their feet should be a wake-up call to them that something is not right.

Now, I do have some complaints about Osteen and his approach. He speaks about Jesus… occasionally… and I have not personally heard him say anything about sin and its consequences at all. His faith statement says he believes in those things, and the Trinity, but he doesn’t talk about them. It may be that he is taking for granted the fact that many of his members are borrowed from other Church communities. At any rate, it seems silly to me to speak so often about some of the practical aspects of Christian living and mention Jesus’ name every now and then without ever actually talking about why Jesus had to come in the first place. I would like to see what happened to his numbers and to his TV audience if he did.

As a pastor, he has a responsibility and an obligation to educate and train his members in the whole of the Christian walk.  That includes discussion about important matters of doctrine.  Also, as so many people are inclined to view wealth and ‘prosperity’ as a sign of God’s approval and a lack of wealth and hardship as a sign of God’s judgment (see Luke 13) mature warnings and correctives should be heard on his broadcasts.

One of my biggest objections, though, is not limited to Osteen’s ministry.  I understand that he has that big stadium because the membership size demands it, but I can’t help but think that the money that went into buying and fixing that thing couldn’t have been spent in better ways.   Even Osteen is under no illusions about how much he can dig into the spiritual lives of individual members of his church.  People fall through the cracks even in traditional church settings, but the size of the ‘cracks’ for his congregation are likely to be massive (I admit I speculate, but I think reasonably) which drives me to wonder what the whole point is.  His television ministry does not need more than a studio.  If he can’t practically shepherd that population- if no one can- what is the point of assembling the population as one congregation?

But then I can be expected to say something like that when I think that even the congregation on the corner is too big and that most congregations could get by with a lot less building and use the saved money in ways I think would be much more edifying to the body of Christ.   I also doubt that a congregation with even a thousand members is a congregation can effectively ensure that people aren’t falling through the cracks in droves, so naturally one with thirty thousand will suffer the same objection.

In conclusion, it should be clear that I think Osteen has a lot of good things to say but I think there are nonetheless some definite weaknesses.  However, I take issue with the chest-thumping righteous indignation I’ve seen directed at Osteen.  Osteen ‘succeeds’ specifically because the systems that the critics are at home in aren’t doing it for people.   Rather than take potshots at the man, it seems a better approach to consider how the mainlines can get their own houses in order.   If in fact people feel like they are being fed a “biblically fed a balanced spiritual diet” they’ll stick around.  If not, they won’t.

If you think that is what you’re providing and people are still walking out on you… sure, it might be a sign that your congregation is doing things right and the drastically diminishing numbers are in fact an indication that it is being blessed by God… maybe… or it could mean they are starving.

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    • Dan on January 6, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Becky gets People. One of her past magazine had an article about Joel Osteen and how he is the Pastor of the largest church in America. I just found a few of the quotes and points interesting

    1) A Lady tells Joel, “Thank You for making religion a pleasure.”
    Can Religion be a pleasure?

    2) the positive, feel-good aspects of Christianity – is the core of Osteen’s appeal.
    Where is the Law? Where is Sin?

    3) Osteen describes his calling as this: to give hope. “Most people are beaten down by life already,… They don’t come to hear me say, ‘you know what? you’re all sinners.’ They already know that. I’d rather say, ‘You know what? God’s on your side.”

    4) When question if it bother him to see people less fortunate, he answers, “I don’ know if it bothers me, but my whole hear is to help people and empower them to rise higher.”

    A few other things,

    in 2005 Osteen stopped taking his salary from Lakewood which was $200,000-a-year. His recent book he earned 13 Million Dollars to write. He owns a Mansion and flys on a private jet. He snagged Hannah Montana Tickets for his daughter birthday and took his family to the concert in a stretch hummer limo.

    The Subtitle of the article asks the question How does America’s Most Popular Pastor Keep It Real?

    So in the end do you think he is keeping it real?

    Can he really be called a Pastor? He isn’t trained. Not that he can not spread the word, as we all should.

    Although People rather feel good about themselves these days, and not hear what they do is wrong, does not mean the places that say wrong is wrong is doing something wrong. In the end don’t we have to be true to the Word? True to God?

    He does have some good points and great points, but I don’t think he points the full picture, just like someone who says you are no good dog and your going to rot in hell all the time. We need the Law and the Gospel.

    • Anthony on January 6, 2008 at 11:41 pm
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    I don’t understand the significance of #1. #2 is something that I mentioned myself in my post. I think there is value in what he says in #3. If people do know that they are sinners already what’s the point of rubbing their nose in it? I agree that there should be a balance. One of my core points of my blog is that he is receiving wide spread appeal because congregations opposite of Osteen are not really offering people something that satisfies. If they were, they wouldn’t go to Osteen.

    So yea, maybe you can say we need the Law and the Gospel and I’d agree with you as far as it goes, but clearly we need something more, something else, too. My problem is that Osteen takes the Law and the Gospel as assumed and focuses mainly- and maybe exclusively- on the Sanctification. People don’t know how to live a godly lifestyle and I think Osteen does a pretty good job of laying out sound principles.

    If people want to hear those principles and they aren’t getting it out of their mainline churches whose fault is it that the people leave? Their fault? Osteen’s? Or the mainlines?

    • Dan on January 7, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Are you (Lakewood Members) going there for Church or to get a positive life message?

    I don’t know if I would call it Church in the sense of what Mainstream Church.

    I think he does some good things and I have looked at his website and what he does good and help my own church.

    • LM on December 24, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Firstly, the fact that Joel has the biggest church does not, in any way mean he is doing anything right: when one is not born-again, and has an option to go to a church which preaches biblically sound doctrines, or to a church that preaches what one’s ears are itching to hear, the natural inclination (because of our sinful nature) would be to go to a church which pleases one’s senses. Sinners don’t want to hear the truth, we are by nature truth-supressers NOT truth-seekers.. a sinner does not want to be told of his sinful nature and so that’s why Joel’s church flourishes so much- coz He fails to address the weight and consequence of sin against a holy God, and so many sinners will flock to his message coz it is worldly and appeals to them..

    Secondly, only born-again believers know that they are sinners.. the rest only know it intellectually (e.g coz their pastor said so, not coz they have been convicted by the Spirit). A message on sin should be preached to give the Holy Spirit a chance to convict these hearers on their condition.. Otherwise, he is preaching a feel-good message to people who are perishing and are going to Hell (or are we blindly assuming that all 30,000 people are born-again?).

    And on the fact that he doesn’t like to preach about sin, here’s a quote by Paul Washer:

    “There are very popular preachers today who are more concerned about giving you your best life now then they are eternity. And they brag about the fact that they do not mention sin in their preaching. I can tell you this. The Holy Spirit has nothing to do with their ministry lest he be working against. That would be the only thing.

    Why? When a man says he has no ministry dealing with the sin of men, the Holy Spirit does. It is a primary ministry of the Holy Spirit to come and convict the world of sin. And so know this. When you do not deal specifically, passionately, lovingly with men and their depraved condition, the Holy Spirit is nowhere around you.”

    The Holy Spirit is nowhere around Joel Osteen. His preaching has no Holy Ghost fire. And millions are going to hell-fire because of it.

    • LM on December 24, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Also, in his book, Your Best Life Now, Joel Osteen said on page 144, “Forgive the people who did you wrong. Forgive yourself for the mistakes you have made. You may even need to forgive God.” He wrote that nonsense in black and white- does that sound Biblical? Will this not appeal to a sinner?

    Col 3:1 and 2 Cor 4:18 tells us not to be earthly minded- what does Joel preach? That you can live your best life NOW; that God wants to bless you NOW; that if you’re currently poor, that’s no good, God wants you to be rich NOW; all you gotta do is have nice thoughts about yourself and God’ll do the rest..

    Rom 16:27; 1 Cor 6:20; Mt 6:9 and 1 Cor 10:31 all say that the chief end of man is to glorify God. Joel preaches that the chief end of man is man’s happiness by getting God to do this or do that for you.

    1 Cor 1:17 (NLT), “For Christ didn’t send me to baptize, but to preach the Good News-and not with CLEVER SPEECH, for fear that the CROSS OF CHRIST would lose its power.”
    What does Joel do? He avoids the cross of our Lord and Saviour, and supplements the void with useless, weightless, non-biblical CLEVER SPEECH. He avoids it coz it’s controversial and he is a people-pleaser.. and i think he also avoids it coz he is not born-again and so he doesn’t really see it’s importance (1 Cor 1:18)..

    Paul said he preached one thing- what the Gospel is really all about: CHRIST CRUCIFIED (1 Cor 1:23), and he sought to know one thing: JESUS CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED (1 Cor 2:2). What does Joel leave out of his messages every week? Jesus Christ and His cross. You yourself have admitted that Joel neglects this (“Now, I do have some complaints about Osteen and his approach. He speaks about Jesus… occasionally… “), don’t you think that that alone is enough to call him a false teacher? Why? Simply because He is NOT preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ (which is all about Him and His cross) but a “different” gospel which is really not a gospel at all (Gal 1:6-7, NIV).

    Joel contradicts the bible in his messages time and time again. He is a false teacher preaching a cross-less (and thereby a powerless) Christianity.

    • Anthony on December 24, 2010 at 12:53 pm
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    Thanks, LMg, for your comment.

    You seem to have badly misunderstood this post. I would like to point out again that Osteen’s viewers and such have had as much exposure to the ‘mainstream’ Christian bodies as they have to Osteen, and very likely the majority came from them in the first place. In short, these other more churches- being more biblical, on your view- evidently failed. They failed to instruct, they failed to equip, they failed to provide the whole counsel of God. If they hadn’t, there would be no Osteen. Put your own house in order. Then you can talk.

    “Firstly, the fact that Joel has the biggest church does not, in any way mean he is doing anything right”

    Well, it must mean he’s doing SOMETHING right. LOL

    At any rate, I didn’t say the size of his following indicates a blessing from God. On the other hand, if your church only has five people, that doesn’t mean it has the blessing from God, either. People may flock to Osteen because they don’t want to hear about sin. People may flock AWAY from the church with five people because those five people are, well, jerks.

    Which returns me to the main point of the post, which is that the more ‘orthodox’ denominations have plenty to do within their current sphere- and indications are that they have failed, and are failing miserably. And will continue to do so at the current rate.

    Or, I guess we could say that anyone who does not remain within orthodox Christianity is thus proved to be not ‘born again.’ That would make things easier: forget sunday school, bible classes, discipleship programs, evangelism, sound, practical application of the Scriptures, etc… and if anyone thinks that they’re getting a poor experience and leave, well, you can be sure that they were not saved to begin with.

    Yea, let’s do that. Much easier. 🙂

    • LM on December 24, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    I am in no way promoting ‘orthodox’ denominations. It would help if you were to define that term so that we would both be on the same page, but i’m assuming you mean the likes of Lutheran and Roman Catholic? I in no way am a fan of those denominations, and have alot of concerns with them. The trick is to find a fully Bible-based, Spirit filled church- which in these last days is a mission. But there are still some left. There are some non-denomination churches that preach the Word of God- why not go there?

    I find it difficult to understand how a born again believer could listen to messages such as Joel’s every week- every believer needs to be built up IN CHRIST, coz their lives have now become Christ (Col 3:3-4). That’s my argument for saying that most of those who listen to Joel, aren’t saved- they find no problem in a cross-less, Christ-less non-gospel. Ofcourse there are those who are (most of my friends who are saved listen to him- which i am still confused about), but the majority of those who go to him do not know Christ, and never will coz He isn’t preached.

    And yes, there are churches who fail dismally, being orthodox and all, but there are Biblically sound sermons being preached by people like Paul Washer. I don’t think Osteen viewers would like him very much. And he has his “house in order”, and is talking.. boy is he talking!

    “In short, these other more churches- being more biblical, on your view- evidently failed. They failed to instruct, they failed to equip, they failed to provide the whole counsel of God. If they hadn’t, there would be no Osteen.”

    I strongly disagree. The Bible says that in the end times people will FALL AWAY from sound doctrine and follow their own way (2 Tim 4:3-4). There will be churches that are Spirit led, and those that are not, and still people will fall away from sound doctrine- not because all the churches have “failed”, but from their own doing.
    You say they have “failed” coz people are turning away? In some cases that’s right, in most cases that’s incorrect. And there is no way of justifying people turning to Joel!! If anyone thinks he/she is getting a “poor experience”, by all means leave, RUN even. My problem is only if they run to Joel.

    “Or, I guess we could say that anyone who does not remain within orthodox Christianity is thus proved to be not ‘born again.’” – That’s not what i’m saying. You seem to have two categories: orthodox churches and Osteen. There are non-denomination churches that preach the Word of God- why not go there?

    And I’m actually not sure what we are arguing here. My point, at the end of the day, is that Joel Osteen is a false prophet, and that there is no way we can defend him. If people, find their church unfulfilling, they should leave that church and look for one that is Spirit-led. I only disagree with them turning to Osteen.

    • LM on December 24, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    The “something” that he is doing right is preaching a worldly message to itching ears. There are more unsaved people than there are saved, and all those unsaved people (in their millions) have itching ears, and so his fanbase will increase coz he’s doing something right- preaching what they want to hear.

    • Anthony on December 24, 2010 at 4:16 pm
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    Fine, the ‘right’ thing is only a worldly message. But let’s not overstate things, shall we?

    By ‘orthodox’ I did not mean Lutheran and Catholic, per se. By ‘orthodoxy’ I’m talking about ‘right belief’, not ‘orthodox’ as in ‘Greek orthodox.’ I’m not going to define it further, for, if you will, we can simply take whatever perspective that is yours, whatever it is, and propose that it is the ‘correct’ one and then point out that the odds are extremely likely that it is bleeding people profusely.

    You are welcome to conclude that the great swell of people leaving the Church is because of the great apostasy. That will leave you comfortably doing things exactly the way you’re currently doing them. And if anyone leaves your congregation- or Paul Washer’s- you can be sure its their fault, and has nothing to do with deficiencies in your own congregation. No, really, don’t even look. If someone no longer shows up at your congregation, don’t even ask them why they left. It’s on their head for not loving the truth, see?

    I already stated many concerns with Osteen and I note that you didn’t mention anything different than I did. I mentioned the fact that he was ‘cross-loss.’ I mentioned the fact that there is little to no mention of sin. I didn’t need Paul Washer (whoever that is) to tell me. But I am not prepared to dismiss Osteen’s following, along with all those others following ‘false prophets’, as people merely having ‘itching ears.’ My point, my friend, is that there is A REAL LACK among the rest of the denominations, and the problem of CHRISTIANS following false teachers would probably diminish a great deal if these denominations and the congregations within them would start DOING THEIR JOB.

    If people leave your own church (for example) and turn to Osteen, it could be… because they’re just part of the great apostasy… or it could be because your church did a terrible job educating people in the Biblical faith. Or, here is an idea: the great apostasy is identifiable with the terrible job the Christian Church is currently doing in transmitting the faith. That’s just a hypothesis. This I do know: most atheists were Christians and were largely ignorant about the Bible while they were Christians, only bothering to inform themselves until they left the faith. Perhaps if we took the time to educate people properly while they were in the faith, these problems wouldn’t be presenting themselves so dramatically.

    So, we disagree on a number of levels. In the first place, I think what we’re seeing is the result of a true failure of discipleship in the Church at large, and not merely ‘itching ears.’ In the second place, it seems that a lot of people are moving on to other places because they are truly being starved of something in their own congregations and denominations, and are looking for it, and finally, thirdly, the solution is to actually provide what is currently lacking (which is a lot). THEN, and only THEN, can you wash your hands of these people leaving the faith.

    I’ve been studying this issue for more than fifteen years. It seems to me that there are a great many people in the camp of “Everything is their fault, everything we’re doing is fine” when in fact everything we’re doing is NOT fine. You think the Church has its house in order. I don’t. If it was, I’d think differently.

    This isn’t the Great Apostasy. It’s the Great Abdication of The Duties and Tasks Appointed to the Church.

    • LM on December 24, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    The modern Church has alot of things that it needs to improve on- it sorta needs a makeover, a total revemp. I totally agree. It definately lacks in discipleship and all that stuff you talked about. But just as we have recognised these problems, we need to also bring to light the gravity of the situation of Osteen’s teaching and how it adds fuel to the fire.

    The Church at large has got it all wrong, but there are a few churches here and there, who, by God’s grace, have it right. If people are starved, then they should continue looking until they have found a Spirit filled church- there is just no way of justifying people going to people like Osteen.

    And yes, i agree with your statement that Christians are following these false teachers- though we’re talking about PROFESSING Christians, not regenerated ones- they are the ones i said have itching ears. We shouldn’t take away from the fact that the Bible says that these people have damned themselves. But yeah, we need to also see that the Church has played a part in not carry out it’s duties as laid out in the Bible. It is not wholly one and not the other: it is not that the Church has failed and so people have no choice but to turn to people like Osteen, and it is not only that Osteen’s messages are the reason people are going to hell. There is a point where these two matters meet.

    You’re arguing one side, I, the other. Let’s agree that these are both big problems that we face. That messages like that of Joel are a very big problem, that his preaching is not in line with the Bible (which shouldn’t just earn a “few complaints”, but a HUGE OUTCRY at the horribleness of the consequences), and that we should see such worldy messages as seriously as the Bible does (and please show me where i am oversating things coz we both believe that his message is terrible and worldly… how can you not then believe that he is preaching a false gospel? Which is really not a gospel at all?)

    Also, I understand more what you have been trying to say. That the church at large has contributed immensly to such worldly messages arising, and people turning to them. There are many idictments and theses made to the modern church which i fully agree with. THINGS MUST CHANGE!!

    Do you see the point i am making? It is both a “Great Apostasy” and a “Great Abdication of The Duties and Tasks Appointed to the Church.” Both problems are present, and both need to be dealt with: on our knees, to the Lord God Almighty.

    • Mike on March 6, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Anthony & LM,

    I think this is a discussion that must be had in the church today. Much love in Christ to you both.

    I agree very much with LM (By the way I am also a huge fan of Paul Washer) and would like to add one thing to the discussion that I wish you would have brought up.
    Anthony- If these folks are leaving the more “mainline protestant” churches due to being “starved” and are in search of true Biblical teaching, then why on earth would they run to Joel????? He does anything BUT that! Joel does not give any evidence for drawing any other conclusion other than that his goal is to please man; and to please man at the expense of pleasing The Lord and compromising His Word.

    This proves that the overwhelming majority are not going to him for that reason you hypothesize, thus your explanation must be false. From the viewpoint of the world, he is doing many things right. However, when you look at his ministry and teaching through the lens of Scripture he is doing virtually nothing right. If he does not preach The Gospel, then I don’t know how much good could be said about him.

    I think you must agree, Anthony, that Osteen fails miserably to preach the whole Counsel of God. I believe he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and that he leads thousands of people astray every time he “preaches” a message. I suppose there is a chance he is truly saved. If that is the case, Mr. Osteen is very misled and deceived because the way he speaks about God is NOT Biblical, which makes me think he is not from God. In this I recognize that I am not his judge and only HE is. But if God’s Word is true, Joel Osteen must repent.

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