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KFUO AM radio interview on the existence of God

Yesterday I was on KFUO AM radio out of St. Louis, MO.  You can listen to the segment here:

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I believe I’m in the first half of the segment.

Topic:  “Can you prove there is a God?”

We could tackle this topic another 3 times before we’ve covered a fraction of what could be said.

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    • Spencer on June 21, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    ridiculous “proof.” Even if Jesus rose from the dead, it would still be (perfectly) rational to think he wasn’t raised by God, given the numerous alternative explanations there could be.

    And given the number of religions in the world, it’s ridiculous to fault sincere seekers of truth for spending most of their time studying religions other than Christianity. Christianity simply isn’t very appealing.

    • Anthony on June 21, 2010 at 7:16 pm
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    You are probably the only person in the whole universe to think that a resurrection is not prima facie evidence for the supernatural.

    You and I have already been over this ground and I have no desire to go over it with you again. Your assumption that we must seek naturalistic explanations for all phenomena itself cannot be ‘proved,’ but you take it to such a level that I honestly think you might be insane. And I don’t debate with insane people. 🙂

    Regarding the last paragraph, I really have no idea what you’re reacting to. I didn’t fault anyone for studying religions other than Christianity. I faulted people who present themselves as sincere seekers of truth who are not, in fact, sincere seekers.

    If you would like to present the actual statement that led you to believe otherwise, I’d be happy to hear it. However, even if I said something to that effect (doubtful), that isn’t what I intended to communicate.

    For the more impartial and earnest reader of this post, it should be pointed out that this radio interview does not offer a full blown argument for the existence of God, even on the grounds of the resurrection. We covered a lot of territory. This is why I said in the opening post, “We could tackle this topic another 3 times before we’ve covered a fraction of what could be said.”

    A good faith listener would understand that and react accordingly. If Spencer were such a listener, he might rather have said, “Can you expand on your argument that the resurrection of Jesus is an argument for the existence of God?”

    But Spencer is not such a debater. Moreover, there are 6 billion people on this planet and we probably will not find a single one from among them who think there are ‘numerous alternative explanations’ for a genuine resurrection from the dead. But if such a person were to pop in and ask the question in earnest, I’d be happy to address it.

    • Spencer on June 21, 2010 at 9:07 pm

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    You are probably the only person in the whole universe to think that a resurrection is not prima facie evidence for the supernatural.
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    First of all, the issue is not whether a resurrection is prima facie evidence for the supernatural; the issue is whether a resurrection *is* good evidence for the supernatural, all things considered. Second, I am *not* the only person who happens to think a resurrection isn’t great evidence for the supernatural. Examples: philosophers Michael Martin and Robert Greg Cavin. And even if were the only one, so what? Can you show why everyone else is right and I’m wrong?

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    Your assumption that we must seek naturalistic explanations for all phenomena itself cannot be ‘proved,’
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    There’s nothing wrong with “seeking” naturalistic explanations – even supernaturalists would want to rule out natural explanations before endorsing some supernatural alternative. Your assumption that we shouldn’t even *consider* possible naturalistic explanations for a resurrection is plainly dogmatic, plainly indefensible, and plainly silly.

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    A good faith listener would understand that and react accordingly. If Spencer were such a listener, he might rather have said, “Can you expand on your argument that the resurrection of Jesus is an argument for the existence of God?”

    But Spencer is not such a debater.
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    I’m not a good faith debator — whatever that means — because I chose to make a critical comment as opposed to asking a question? Ridiculous. I expressed an opinion, a view about your contention, and you are free to respond accordingly or not. Instead of making unfounded accusations about my integrity, just ignore me and I won’t post here.

    • Anthony on June 21, 2010 at 9:12 pm
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    Yep, ignoring you is exactly what I’m going to do. Toodles.

    • Spencer on June 21, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Still the same old Anthony – haven’t changed a bit. Before posting, I suspected a genuine debate with you would be a complete waste of time. Why did I give you the benefit of a doubt?

    This time, it took only *one* post — ONE! — before you thought it necessary to impugn my integrity with your charge that I’m a bad faith debator. I must have been CRAZY to think a genuine, intellectual dialogue, without unfounded attacks on another’s character, was possible. You proved I was too hopeful.

    • Anthony on June 21, 2010 at 9:39 pm
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    Uh, if you didn’t notice, your first post began with insult and ridicule.

    That is your idea of the ‘benefit of a doubt’?

    Right.

    Move along.

    If ever you want to have a serious conversation and ‘genuine’ then perhaps you may want to initiate the conversation with a little more tact and respect.

    I don’t need to impugn your integrity. You made clear your character in your *first* word of your *first* post. You need to seriously reconsider your ethics my friend. Where I come from, if I want to have a serious conversation with someone I don’t come to their blog and lead off with rudeness.

    • Anthony on June 21, 2010 at 9:46 pm
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    I should say, though, that I commend you for posting under your real name this time. I’ll mark that as an improvement and hope that in the future if you really want genuine conversation you’ll act like it rather than assert it and then try to claim the moral high ground.

    Peace out, yo.

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