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PZ Myers: People are Just Meat, Deal with It

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PZ Myers continues to descend down the various stages into madness that atheism can lead a person- that is to say, like the religionists he despises, he also believes every lick of what he says he believes.  In a recent blog post writing in reaction to an email from a pro-life person, he writes:

“You want to make me back down by trying to inspire revulsion with dead baby pictures? I look at them unflinchingly and see meat. And meat does not frighten me.”

On PZ’s view, we are all meat, whether we are diced and sliced or not.  This is what we’re up against.  P.S. I’m not talking about ‘science.’

I will not add further comment except to point the reader to my recent post on atheism and the lunacy of true believers and another post musings about ‘what atheism can become.’  I will remind the reader that he is a professor in the Minnesota university system.  If you are a citizen of that state or an alumni and find what he’s doing repulsive, you know what to do.   The full text of Myer’s post is below, just in case his self-preservation requires deleting it:

Lately I’ve been receiving a flood of messages from the anti-choice zealots. They’ve got one thing in common: they all contain lots of images of aborted fetuses, a common tactic used by these creatures to intimidate with horrible images. I’m not impressed. Here’s a representative example, with the url to yet another horror show removed.

Please read

Abortion is more than a “procedure” and it is rare that a pregnancy causes harm or death to a woman.

Maybe to better understand the murder that abortion truly is, you should study the photos in the link below. It is easy to desensitize yourself and your readers and say it’s just a procedure, and the fetus is just a “bunch of cells,” but again, I ask that you study the photos in the link below, and I hope you are sickened with the real truth- Abortion IS Murder.

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Abortion is more about greed and selfishness. There are many many many families that would give anything to do a domestic adoption and offer prenatal care to a woman that did not want to keep/raise her baby.

No one says it better than Mother Teresa.

“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you live as you wish”

I pray that you will take the time to more fully understand what abortion is, and why the option to kill our nation’s babies should not be an option at all.

Sincerely,
Sarah Dillon

Sarah Dillon is an ignorant hysteric, and she’s awesomely stupid. She couldn’t have written a letter better guaranteed to dissuade me from accepting her position.

First, never quote Mother Teresa at me — she was an evil hag who worshipped poverty, who did not help people except to encourage them to suffer more for her faith, while she lived in comfort and traveled far and wide to receive the accolades of the gullible. I would never find the words of that wicked woman persuasive.

Secondly, the standard bullying tactics of waving bloody fetuses might cow the squeamish, but I’m a biologist. I’ve guillotined rats. I’ve held eyeballs in my hand and peeled them apart with a pair of scissors. I’ve used a wet-vac to clean up a lake of half-clotted blood from an exsanguinated dog. I’ve opened bodies and watched the intestines do their slow writhing dance, I’ve been elbow deep in blood, I’ve split open cats and stabbed them in the heart with a perfusion needle. I’ve extracted the brains of mice…with a pair of pliers. I’ve scooped brains out of buckets, I’ve counted dendrites in slices cut from the brains of dead babies.

You want to make me back down by trying to inspire revulsion with dead baby pictures? I look at them unflinchingly and see meat. And meat does not frighten me.

The vilest thing in the picture is the moron waving the sign and thinking they’re making an argument.

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97 Responses to PZ Myers: People are Just Meat, Deal with It

  1. Whoever else falls into the catagory of ‘conspiracy to commit murder’. Look it up.

    “EB, you stupid, stupid, hate-filled person, I sincerely hope your views remain in the lunatic fringe where they belong.”

    Comming from you that’s a hilariously ironic statment Stath. And by that same token I guess holding someone as criminally responsible for killing a 2-year old or a Jew is ‘a hate-filled lunatic’. Though your ignorance-fueled selective descrimination is more patheticly sad than funny.

  2. No, the hate is your desire for someone to be given the death penalty for not sharing your religious views – because make no mistake, your entire objection to abortion is rooted purely and exclusively in your religious fundamentalism. You literally want to kill those who disagree with you.

  3. “No, the hate is your desire for someone to be given the death penalty for not sharing your religious views…”

    Actually it’s more my love of all human beings that have the same basic rights of life and liberty, and those who violate those rights should be held accountable – which is indeed driven by my religious views I’m not ashamed to say.

    “…because make no mistake, your entire objection to abortion is rooted purely and exclusively in your religious fundamentalism. You literally want to kill those who disagree with you.”

    No, I want those who kill innocent human beings to be punished. True all human and civil rights are rooted in my religious views, while yours really doesn’t have any reason to respect other’s value and dignity (as it doesn’t really acknowledge any value or diginity exists). But you really are showing your typical lunacy here Stath, as you really can’t quote anything I’ve said that remotely sounds like ‘Rawwr kill all pro-choicers and pro-abortionists.’ But like always you don’t care what is actually said since you think you know what’s “really meant”.

  4. Unfortunately, EB, your religious views came from books written by men, not gods. And where did all those values come from? Good boy! The dudes who made it all up! So your so called religious values are actually HUMAN values! Maybe that’s why you can’t produce a shred of evidence to even remotely suggest that Atheists behave any worse than Fundies like yourself (in fact, Atheists behave better) – we have our own values! Who’d a thunk it, huh?

    Let’s take the Ten Commandments for example, shall we? Actually there are only six, since the first four are your god acting, well, a bit like a little bitch, I’m afraid. But the last six are accepted by most good people as a pretty good start no matter what their religious or nonreligious stance is. Why is that? Because they are basic HUMAN values. Nothing to do with Mr. Bitchy, who is too busy giving top billing to not seeing any other gods and not having any blow-up gods instead of Thou Shall Not Kill which is number 5 on the chart.

  5. Blah, blah, blah.

    You honestly think your hate-filled closed-minded atheistic ranting has any effect on me whatsoever? Not that I expect anything else from you.

    Still doesn’t change the fact that under your atheism human life (including yours) has as much significance as the ants we step on. What’s even more hypocritical is your appeal to something like “good” when you don’t even have a standard to determine what “good” is. It’s just what you personally ‘like’, which no one need care.

    As such you have no reason to complain if those who have an abortion should be held to the death penality, or if the society ever brings it’s foot down on you. We’re all just ‘bags of randomly thrown together water and meat’, right? ;)

  6. Under my Atheism human life is a lot more precious than someone who thinks he is going to have eternal life can possibly imagine, so save your pathetic insect comparisons for your Bible study class.

    You don’t get the fact that your standards aren’t really from a god, they are from a person, just like mine are. It’s not what I personally like, it’s what people generally like. Everybody should care and most people do, even if they don’t need a scary, pretend bogeyman to make them care. You need Mr. Bitchy to make you behave, I don’t – yet you have no problem getting on a high horse about my supposed amorality.

    Your equally tiresome water and meat thing needs to be retired too – just because I’m water and meat doesn’t mean I think that life has no value. Just because my kids are water and meat doesn’t mean I love mine less than you love yours.

  7. “Under my Atheism human life is a lot more precious than someone who thinks he is going to have eternal life can possibly imagine, so save your pathetic insect comparisons for your Bible study class.”

    And what exactly makes human life so precious in an uncaring meaningless universe with no intended purpose to human being’s existence? Which is indeed the kind of universe Atheism espouses. Because YOU say so? Pffff.

    “You don’t get the fact that your standards aren’t really from a god, they are from a person, just like mine are.”

    If so then they are entirely meaningless. And as such one can have the standard that abortion is murder and those who commit it should be sentenced to death. And thus would be highly hypocritical for you to criticize that standard as it’s essentially is no different than yours – personal opinion. Seems like a lose-lose situation for you no matter how you slice it. ;)

    “Everybody should care and most people do, even if they don’t need a scary, pretend bogeyman to make them care. You need Mr. Bitchy to make you behave, I don’t – yet you have no problem getting on a high horse about my supposed amorality.”

    More like your contradicting attitude to appeal to some higher standard of ‘should’ or ‘shouldn’t’, yet deny the basis needed for that standard to even exist, let alone have any obligatory power.

    “Your equally tiresome water and meat thing needs to be retired too – just because I’m water and meat doesn’t mean I think that life has no value. Just because my kids are water and meat doesn’t mean I love mine less than you love yours.”

    The problem seems to be you don’t understand the fact that what you personally think just doesn’t matter. If water and meat is all you acknowledge you and your kids are than you and they objectively have no value no matter what you think. Period. Even your ‘love’ is just reduced to meaningless chemical reactions.

    Thus any sense of ‘value’ is just your meaningless opinion, and has no more relevance than a rat believing it’s life has value. It still gets exterminated, the universe still doesn’t care, and under Atheism humans are still essentially no different.

    So once again, you’re just another case of atheists trying to have their cake and eat it too in denying God’s existence, yet still appealing to principles that are exclusively on the theistic side of the fence (and thus evidence for Gods existence).

  8. I give up. The Bible is a creation of man, EB, and that is where your “exclusively theistic” principles actually come from. Unfortunately, the men who made up the Bible lived in primitive times and had no clue how the world worked (which is why the Bible, despite being the “Word of God”, never once revealed any information that was not already known at the time it was written). Your blind adherence to this primitive doctrine leads to bigotry, hatred and a hundred different kinds of stupid behavior.

    There is no need in modern society for the misogyny, homophobia and sectarianism that you find so precious, nor is there a place for the supernatural voodoo and superstition you so love to practice. The Bible is irrelevant.

    You may now have the last word.

  9. “The Bible is a creation of man, EB, and that is where your “exclusively theistic” principles actually come from.”

    No, the Bible is enspired by God. See? I can make assertions too.

    Obviously my simply asserting it means little to you (not that actual proof would diswayed you), so why you think simply asserting YOUR predictable beliefs is going to sway me even an iota, is mind-boggling.

    “You may now have the last word.”

    How gracious of you. Of course none of this takes away from the fact that mindless assertion is all you have to argue with, since you’ve obviously avoided responding to any of the criticisms leveled on atheism. You’re the classic example of atheists whose beliefs stem from #1 of SJ’s 5 Challenges to Christianity Apologetics Can’t Answer.

  10. EB, I said “have the last word”, not “lie through your teeth and I won’t respond”. I believe I answered all of your criticisms of atheism. Feel free to point out the ones I didn’t respond to and I will.

  11. “EB, I said “have the last word”, not “lie through your teeth and I won’t respond”. I believe I answered all of your criticisms of atheism. Feel free to point out the ones I didn’t respond to and I will.”

    In which any response isn’t the last word then? Not that your credibility wasn’t at rock bottom already. Just don’t make claims you know you won’t keep. Nor is the same tired assertions of ‘nO gawd xsits! U stoopid! ROFL’ would I call ‘answering’. ;)

  12. Then perhaps instead of saying I avoided responding you should have said “your responses did not please me”.

  13. Except such responses are indeed avoiding responding to the criticisms directly. It’s what in debating terms is called a ‘dodge’. SO again you don’t actually address any criticisms. Just continue to make mindlessly repeated assertions that are neither surprising nor significant.

  14. I was just giving you my viewpoint – if I don’t believe in God then I must believe that all the stuff in the Bible was made up by humans. If I believe that, then what you refer to as Biblical values are actually just human values. That is my opinion. I don’t think it’s a mindless assetion and it is certainly no less valid than your opinion. That’s all your religious fundamentalism is – an opinion.

  15. Like I didn’t know what your view point was already. Obviously if you believe God doesn’t exist you’ll believe the Bible is entirely man-made. Sadly for you that has little to nothing to do with anything being discussed. And in truth just makes your criticisms of…well…anything pointless and hypocritical since if it’s just humans making the decision that women can have abortions than it’s humans making the decision that women can’t and can be punished for doing so…or can kill Jews, or own other humans as property, etc. It’s all just human opinion.

    So once again everything is equal (and meaningless) under atheism. Which is the point you are avoiding.

  16. Yes, it is all just human opinion – your opinion is that women should face the death penalty for having an abortion. My opinion is different.

    Your opinion is that life has no meaning unless you believe every word of a group of primitive writings. My opinion is different.

    Your opinion, I presume, is that your belief in God isn’t just an opinion. My opinion is different.

    Doesn’t the word “opinion” sound funny when you say it over and over?

    Anyway, you are becoming even more repetitive than I am. I think we’re done unless you have something different to say.

  17. “Yes, it is all just human opinion – your opinion is that women should face the death penalty for having an abortion. My opinion is different.”

    No, it’s in actuality not just opinion. That’s simply all it just reduces to under atheism. Which means it’s as legitimate as a favorite flavour of food.

    “Your opinion is that life has no meaning unless you believe every word of a group of primitive writings. My opinion is different.”

    No, that’s actually a simple fact that any meaning or purpose can only be imparted by a Higher Authority. Otherwise it’s just self-serving delusion. No opinion about that.

    “Your opinion, I presume, is that your belief in God isn’t just an opinion. My opinion is different.”

    Thankfully, I know that when it comes down to it pure opinion is all you have in place of actual facts or proof. ;)

    “Anyway, you are becoming even more repetitive than I am. I think we’re done unless you have something different to say.”

    Heh. Like you haven’t said THAT before.

  18. “No, that’s actually a simple fact that any meaning or purpose can only be imparted by a Higher Authority.”

    Wow, I thought I was the one making tired assertions!

  19. You are. If meaning and purpose is only self-appointed then it’s entirely meaningless and delusional. I’m sure the insect or rat can say it’s life has meaning or purpose because it simply decides it does. Still wouldn’t stop them from being exterminated.

  20. Just how does your faith – sorry, your opinion – give your life meaning or purpose that mine does not have?

  21. Opinion or faith by itself doesn’t. Which is the point. It has to come from a personal Being greater than yourself for it to be anything other than delusion, or meaningless chemical reasctions. Otherwise you’re just a speck of dust, whose life or death didn’t matter millions of years before now it wont million years after.

  22. I’ll try again, then. How does a “personal Being greater than yourself” give your life more meaning and purpose than mine?

    And, are you saying your life mattered millions of years ago and will matter millions of years from now? Some ego you got there. And I thought the part where you were dishing out the death penalty to those who disagree with you was egotistical.

    Finally, I thought you kooks didn’t believe the world existed millions of years ago – don’t you think the world is a few hundred years old, or something equally ridiculous? Saying that your life mattered millions of years ago becomes even more absurd if that is one of your preposterous beliefs.

  23. Everyone all good with abortion in cases of adultery in addition to rape and medical conditions, right? I mean, that is in the Bible after all (unlike rape and medical conditions).

    Also, the Bible demands a different (much much less, as in money vs. death penalty) punishment for abortion vs. murder. Since we are apparently throwing out that God-inspired rule, why are we hanging on to the “God says abortion is really bad” one that actually, as far as the Bible is concerned, He didn’t say?

    Can’t be because even people who think they are following God’s rules pretty much make them up as they go along regardless of whether God or man wrote the Bible, can it?

  24. Care to share the Bible references to the passages you speak of so that we can analyze them? That would be much more constructive then just making a pot shot. What happens if your Bible references say no such thing? Do you drop your charge that ‘people are just making up rules as they go along’? I’d be interested to find out.

  25. “How does a “personal Being greater than yourself” give your life more meaning and purpose than mine?”

    Because if we’re specificly created, then we are obviously created with a specific intention. Which means we have purpose and meaning. Where as under your beliefs if our existence has no intention behind it due to existing by pure whimsical chance, then it’s no more meaningful than leaves randomly thrown in the wind.

    “And I thought the part where you were dishing out the death penalty to those who disagree with you was egotistical.”

    I see you’re sticking to your strawman to the very end. As far as ego goes I’d say the attitude of ‘I’m randomly thrown together junk, but I declare myself god of my own life.’ that atheists like you hold beats every other belief on the planet in the egotistical contest. Not surprising since that’s what primarily drives atheism.

    “Finally, I thought you kooks didn’t believe the world existed millions of years ago – don’t you think the world is a few hundred years old, or something equally ridiculous?”

    But you do. Which is why I addressed the criticism as opperating under your own belief system. Apparently you’re just proving your utter failure in basic reading skills to the point where you can’t tell I’m speaking from YOUR beliefs as being hypothetically true.

    And I still notice you’re dodging the criticisms.

  26. “Because if we’re specificly created, then we are obviously created with a specific intention. Which means we have purpose and meaning”

    What specific intention, and in what way does that specific intention give you purpose and meaning?

    “But you do. Which is why I addressed the criticism as opperating under your own belief system. Apparently you’re just proving your utter failure in basic reading skills to the point where you can’t tell I’m speaking from YOUR beliefs as being hypothetically true.”

    Not sure what on earth you are gabbling about there, but I suspect you are just trying to get out of a tight spot.

    “And I still notice you’re dodging the criticisms.”

    I already asked you to specify the criticisms but you did not. I would be happy to respond if you want to specify them now. Please be direct and easy to understand – as you know, my reading skills are almost as bad as your spelling skills.

  27. “What specific intention, and in what way does that specific intention give you purpose and meaning?”

    Admittedly the specific purpose and such can only be revealed by the Creator. You just asked how is meaning and purpose able to exist at all under theism and not under atheism. So again, meaning and purpose (whatever they are) can only exist if we are intentionally created. If we’re just brought about by random chance then our existence is without any real meaning as it would be the same if we didn’t exist.

    “Please be direct and easy to understand – as you know, my reading skills are almost as bad as your spelling skills.”

    Pretty much everything I’ve said about atheism, where your only response is repeated assertions of ‘God doesn’t exist.’ Which is pretty much the entirety of our conversation. So you have a lot of rereading to do. ;)

  28. “Admittedly the specific purpose and such can only be revealed by the Creator.”

    Wait – you don’t know what the purpose even IS? It’s enough to be of the opinion that we are intentionally created? That is enough meaning and purpose for you?

    “Pretty much everything I’ve said about atheism..”

    I would not go back and read through your semi coherent bluster to pick out specifics even if it were possible to do so. But, for the third time, I would be happy to respond to your specific criticisms of Atheism if you would care to let me know what they are.

  29. “Wait – you don’t know what the purpose even IS? It’s enough to be of the opinion that we are intentionally created? That is enough meaning and purpose for you?”

    Thankfully it has been revealed in a series of documents. Perhaps you’ve heard of them. They’re called ‘the Bible’. And yes, it’s enough know one has been intentionally created to know some meaning and purpose exists AT ALL.

    “But, for the third time, I would be happy to respond to your specific criticisms of Atheism if you would care to let me know what they are.”

    Already have as everything I’ve said on atheism has been a specific criticism. You’ve responded by summing it all up to “semi coherent bluster.” Which is why, again, I can confidently say you’re dodging and avoiding them. Assuming you’re even paying attention at all. And that’s a BIG assumption with you Stath. ;)

  30. “Thankfully it has been revealed in a series of documents. Perhaps you’ve heard of them. They’re called ‘the Bible’”

    Is is a secret or are you going to tell us what this purpose is?

    “And yes, it’s enough know one has been intentionally created”

    You don’t “know” anything of the sort – in your opinion you were intentionally created, and if that’s enough for you you are VERY easy to please.

    “Already have as everything I’ve said on atheism has been a specific criticism. ”

    Ummm, semi coherent again there, EB.

    “I can confidently say you’re dodging and avoiding them”

    EB, the only dodging going on here is you dodging being specific about your criticisms of Atheism despite being asked three times to tell me what they are.

    Last try, and for the fourth time – what are your specific criticisms of Atheism? They should be on the tip of your tongue, I would have thought, and therefore very easy to jot down.

    P.S. As an aside, what is it with you Funderoos and answering questions? You, as a group, seem to find it completely impossible to answer the simplest of questions, while you, as a group, simultaneously claim to know all there is to know about everything. Fascinating, yet completely unsurprising.

  31. “Is is a secret or are you going to tell us what this purpose is?”

    It’s no secret, but I’m not going to tell you as it’s pretty much irrelevant to the issue. Just think of it as another reason to take SJ on his offer to send you a Bible and read it for yourself. ;)

    “You don’t “know” anything of the sort – in your opinion you were intentionally created, and if that’s enough for you you are VERY easy to please.”

    I do indeed KNOW with absolute certainty. You can’t seriously believe something more complex than a watch or computer can create itself by millions of unintelligent random chances, and honestly say that such reasoning isn’t more than a little irrational. At least not without kidding yourself.

    “EB, the only dodging going on here is you dodging being specific about your criticisms of Atheism despite being asked three times to tell me what they are.”

    And I’ve already said – reread basicly everything I’ve said (to you) as it’s all been very specific. You just keep flippantly disimiss everything, which is why it’s clear that you’re dodging.

    And I honestly don’t feel the need to repeat my criticisms over and over again when I have little doubt you won’t address anything anyway (as you haven’t so far).

    “Fascinating, yet completely unsurprising.”

    I chalk it up to you not really paying attention to what is actually said and largely making things up to fit your predetermined bias.

  32. I think that your refusal to answer the first question is because you know that if you actually write down this “purpose” it will look as utterly ridiculous as it actually is. I also think that your refusal to list your criticisms of Atheism is because you know that even your criticisms of Atheism are ridiculous. The addition of accusing me of dodging isn’t fooling anyone.

  33. You’re free to think whatever wholely false notion that you like. Doesn’t change the fact there is no meaning or purpose to existence under atheism (there’s one specific criticisim you’ve been avoiding right there), nor that you’ve dodged all the others made and are just too lazy and/or unwilling to take the time to reread a few posts.

  34. At last! I can’t speak for all Atheists, but my life derives meaning and purpose from the people and things that are dear to me and from the people I help in my job and in my daily life, among other things. Probably much the same as yourself – minus the part where a supreme being created you so you could worship it, or whatever total nonsense you have decided you need to give your life a little extra meaning but decided not to tell me despite being asked four times in case I ridiculed you for being ridiculous.

    Any other specific criticisms? Any details on your god’s purpose for you? I’m not afraid of the answers, unlike yourself – and please stop posting if you are set on avoiding the issues we are discussing, you are only showing how terribly weak you are.

  35. “At last! I can’t speak for all Atheists, but my life derives meaning and purpose from the people and things that are dear to me and from the people I help in my job and in my daily life, among other things.”

    In which case it’s all meaningless self-delusion under atheism and highly temporary. And in pure materialistic terms one can say they aren’t truly “dear”; only that you’re geneticly programed to think so.

    “Any other specific criticisms? Any details on your god’s purpose for you? I’m not afraid of the answers, unlike yourself – and please stop posting if you are set on avoiding the issues we are discussing, you are only showing how terribly weak you are.”

    heh. Says the guy whose been dodging everything thus far. Even your above comment about things dear to you is irrelevant to the issue – meaning and purpose existing under atheism/theism. All you’ve done is reassert something you’ve already said before.

    I’ll even ask again – What makes anything you’ve said have meaning or purpose in an uncaring universe where such things only existed by random chance? Simply because YOU say so? Pffft.

  36. “And in pure materialistic terms one can say they aren’t truly “dear”; only that you’re geneticly programed to think so.”

    In which case they are truly dear to me.

    “Says the guy whose been dodging everything thus far”

    Are you serious? Dodging is all you have done. I’ll answer any question you have. You won’t answer my questions because you can’t without sounding like the utter fool you are.

    “Simply because YOU say so? Pfft.”

    Is “simply because the Bible says so” any better? Please explain if it is and tell us precisely what the meaning and purpose of life is. Somehow I don’t think you will…

  37. “In which case they are truly dear to me.”

    In which case they’re as about as “dear” as a mouse and printer is to a CPU.

    “Are you serious? Dodging is all you have done. I’ll answer any question you have. You won’t answer my questions because you can’t without sounding like the utter fool you are.”

    More like I haven’t answered any wholely irrelevant question simply because you’re too lazy to find the answer yourself.

    “Is “simply because the Bible says so” any better? Please explain if it is and tell us precisely what the meaning and purpose of life is. Somehow I don’t think you will…”

    Unless this is a round-about admission that simply YOU asserting something has meaning doesn’t make it so, then you’re still dodging. Aside from the fact that it’s irrelevant to the issue, this is why I won’t answer you. Because I know that you just don’t care, as this comment shows you haven’t been paying any attention whatsoever.

    Does the computer you’re using have meaning and purpose? Yes, it does so because it is a creation with an intent by it’s creator. Does the computer ‘know’ what it’s purpose specificly is? Obviously not, but that doesn’t really take away from the fact that it obviously has a purpose, now does it? Contrast that with leaves scattered by wind, and you pretty much have the distinction of meaning and purpose between theism and atheism.

  38. “..I won’t answer you.”

    That sums it up nicely. Later, EB – trying to get an answer out of you is a waste of time. It’s not that you won’t answer, it’s that you can’t answer because you are unable to disguise your blind, unreasoning faith with pseudo intellectual justification like your Master, SJ, tries to do. Have a nice evening.

  39. Ha! Maybe the third time’s the charm.

    Fact is you’re dodging Stathei. You won’t face any criticisim period, and think simply asserting things makes an argument. And the only way to save you’re wounded ego (in your eyes) is to whine about how wholely irrelevant questions aren’t being addressed, when you won’t face the ridiculously obvious irrationality of your own beliefs.

    But, hey, I knew exactly what you were long before I entered this discussion with you, and am more than satisfied to let other readers see for themselves.

  40. I was going to let this go and leave the “other readers” to enjoy the comedy of the hypocrisy dripping from every single sentence of this post – but then I realized that there are no “other readers” and that you are blissfully unaware of your own hypocrisy. Here we go, sentence by sentence:

    “Fact is you’re dodging” – you refused point blank to answer two simple questions four times. How is that not dodging?

    “You won’t face any criticism period” – I asked you four times what your criticisms were and you refused to answer.

    “You..think simply asserting things makes an argument.” Well what were you doing when you said a few posts ago: “No, that’s actually a simple fact that any meaning or purpose can only be imparted by a Higher Authority. Otherwise it’s just self-serving delusion. No opinion about that.” Yep, no opinion, just assertion by you. Your ENTIRE belief system relies on your assertion that the bible tells you all you need to know.

    “And the only way to save you’re (sic) wounded ego is to whine about how wholely (sic) irrelevant questions aren’t being addressed” – the questions were wholly relevant, and you know it. You are just unable to answer them without sounding like a tool.

    “you won’t face the ridiculously obvious irrationality of your own beliefs.” And your beliefs are RATIONAL? Even SJ wouldn’t claim that.

    So, there you go. Blind hypocrisy in every single sentence – sometimes more than once per sentence. Mark of a real Fundie, I guess. Or maybe just a complete and utter moron, it’s often hard to tell. I think we’re done now – at last.

  41. “I was going to let this go….”

    Heh. Suuuuuure.

    ““Fact is you’re dodging” – you refused point blank to answer two simple questions four times. How is that not dodging?”

    How were those questions in any way relevant? You think if you suddenly ask “Is the sky blue?” in the middle of a discussion and no one bothers to answer such a ridiculous question it some how constitutes “dodging”? Still doesn’t take away from the fact that you don’t address anything that’s been said and simply rehash assertion after assertion.

    Besides, why should you be taken seriously when any answer would almost certainly be met with the same ridicule and contempt you hold for everything else regarding Christian beliefs?

    “Your ENTIRE belief system relies on your assertion that the bible tells you all you need to know.”

    *snort* And this is why I can let other readers judge for themselves. As this discussion has always been about atheism and theism. Technically the same argument would apply for Islam just as much as Christianity. So this is just further evidence of you not paying attention, and thus indicative of not really wanting answers (unless it’s to ridicule them).

    I’ve made very clear arguments regarding how meaning and purpose is imparted – ie using examples of what Mankind has created in contrast to results of random processess. And have continually asked how you simply asserting ‘I care’ is in any way meaningful under a belief system that regards you as little different to a bug. Only for you to dodge everything and obsess over irrelevant trivialities.

    “Mark of a real Fundie, I guess. Or maybe just a complete and utter moron, it’s often hard to tell.”

    And you wonder why I don’t take you seriously simply when you ask a question.

    “I think we’re done now – at last.”

    Such a statement can be only met by the following response –

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  42. “You think if you suddenly ask “Is the sky blue?” in the middle of a discussion and no one bothers to answer such a ridiculous question it some how constitutes “dodging”?”

    No, but if I suddenly ask “How is your life more meaningful?” when you are accusing me of having a meaningless life and no one bothers to answer that pertinent question it constitutes more than just dodging. It makes it look like you don’t even know.

    “BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!”

    The most sensible thing you have said in this entire post.

  43. “No, but if I suddenly ask “How is your life more meaningful?” when you are accusing me of having a meaningless life and no one bothers to answer that pertinent question it constitutes more than just dodging. It makes it look like you don’t even know.”

    Except if one actually reads what was actually said, I’ve clearly explained why life is more meaningful under theism than it is under atheism, and how knowing or not knowing what that meaning is is irrelevant. All you’re obssessing over the question shows is YOU avoiding addressing anything. Which means you’re dodging. Repeatedly.

    “The most sensible thing you have said in this entire post.”

    I’m still waiting for you to say ANYTHING sensible (or at least true). ;)

  44. “You want to make me back down by trying to inspire revulsion with dead baby pictures? I look at them unflinchingly and see meat. And meat does not frighten me.”

    On PZ’s view, we are all meat, whether we are diced and sliced or not.”

    PZ is talking about dead babies, not alive people. Dead people are no more than meat. It is completely true. The “sliced or not” part was added by you, he didn’t say it. You are being dishonest.

  45. insightful website. but amazingly, I don’t hear or see anybody talkin’ about the REAL problem of ABORTION. IT IS CLEARLY ‘FORNICATION’. Putting urself in a situation where there is no plan for a family. Arguing for marriage and commitment is ignored altogether. We are not making any noise about the root of the problem. No one is expounding on why that is the REAL problem and elevate the ‘immorality’ of abortion which is born out of the carelessness, ignorance and lunacy of whoredome.

  46. Hi Felicia,

    Actually, this is something my ministry is interested in, although from a different angle. Check out the online conference we are hosting in a couple of weeks. It is devoted to defending biblical marriage. http://onlineapologeticsconference.com/

    Jose, You will note that I did not put ‘whether we are diced and sliced or not’ in quotes and attribute them to PZ. If I had, that would be dishonest. I didn’t. This is a pretty standard practice that I’m surprised you aren’t aware of it.

    You’re right that he was talking about dead babies, but on his view it applies to live babies- and all people. It doesn’t take much to realize that on his view of humanity, we are all just meat. Period, end of story.

    If you find that abhorrent, it surely means just one thing: whatever you say or think you believe, in point of fact, you agree with me that in reality we AREN’T just meat.

  47. Dodging questions on this post too, eh End Bringer?

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